Ukraine should sell Crimea

Friends,

I understand why Putin did this. Between the years of insults to Russia and the intelligence he gained when Snowden went home to Russia, he felt he had reason to invade Crimea.

But, what Ukraine should do is sell Crimea. Just as Russia sold Alaska to the US when they were in difficult times, Ukraine should sell Crimea to Russia.

I think a good start would be $600 Billion at 15% interest over 50 years, and Ukraine retains all mineral and water rights.

A final offer better than $450 Billion at 12% over 40 years for land rights only might be acceptable.

What do you think?

Am I too low?

Wayne
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85 Responses to Ukraine should sell Crimea

  1. culturaltick says:

    Here is the kind of debate both Russia and USA should be engaged in.
    CrossTalk: Containment 2.0? (ft. Stephen Cohen & John Mearsheimer)

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9674pRBm6g

  2. culturaltick says:

    Hopefully, it is only a dream, too.

  3. culturaltick says:

    I read it today. Democracy is a dream. Very much like the bright future communism.

  4. culturaltick says:

    Too bad, we don’t get to make choices. Isn’t democracy about making a choice?

  5. culturaltick says:

    Me too. Let there be peace. And any government should be held accountable for toppling governments, fomenting unrest, staging color-coded revolutions, annexing territories.

  6. culturaltick says:

    Why don’t you also watch this video about the use of depleted uranium in Iraq by Americans? It is a crime against humanity, yet citizens of democratic countries seem to be ok with it.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi_1pbSqGY

    • Wayne says:

      Thank you.

      I am fully aware of what DU round do. I DO NOT LIKE DU rounds, but I do not get to make the choices.

      And I still chose peace over war.

      Wayne

  7. culturaltick says:

    Geez. It was the USA that started all this mess. Your memory is very selective. Do you remember V. Nuland’s f…k EU and hand picking the members of the interim government and her confession about 5 bln to bring “democracy” to Ukraine? What is this if not meddling in Ukraine internal affairs? Not just the rhetoric. And aAll the high-rank officials who have been in and out of Ukraine are so concerned with peace and prosperity and democracy in Ukraine that they come to Ukraine just to serve as a human shield against pro-russian separatists in case they send tanks and war planes to Kiev, I guess.
    And Nuland et.al must be very disappointed at this point that those brainwashed pro-Russian separatists pour out into the streets and talk the Ukrainian army into not shooting at people, and that they demand a referendum which is part of democratic process. Oh, how did I forget ? They are brainwashed.
    It must be also very disappointing for them that they cannot report any juicy stories about Russian atrocities in Ukraine ( something like carpet bombing which killed, some say, half a million and some say a million in Cambodia, or 2 nuclear bombs that wiped 2 Japanese cities out, or use of napalm in Vietnam, bombing of Bagdad, Kosovo, the death of half a million Iraqi children. See how Madeleine Albright defends the mass killing http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo) and the list goes on.
    It looks that not only Russians are brainwashed but citizens of democratic countries have been hoodwinked too, but they happily continue to believe that they live in democracies where the rule of law reigns.
    USA should focus on bringing democracy to poverty-ridden areas in its own country. How come 47 mln people live on food stamps in such a rich country? The same is true about Russia. It has so many problems with corruption, increasing gap between the poor and the rich.
    Or do both of these countries think that by engaging in such activities, they can distract their people from the internal problems?

    • Wayne says:

      I have never forgotten history.

      And just like the blog I just posted, I have admitted admiration for Putin’s brilliance in all of this.

      But, his brilliance does not change that at this moment, Putin and Russia are wrong.

      This action will create 2 million ethnic Ukrainians living in Russian who will become willing participants helping the Islamic Republics gain independence from ‘Mother Russia.’

      Is that really worth the price?

      Wayne

  8. culturaltick says:

    Are you 100 percent sure that there are only hundreds of Spetsnaz there? I am sure there are western mercenaries there, too. The west would have cried foul if Yanukovich used tanks and war planes against people in Maidan. Is it from now on bomb baby, bomb USA style? Is this what CIA director instructed them to do? I am afraid at this point, both sides will be digging in. Hopefully, we are not heading for WWW III.

    • Wayne says:

      Well, I think Russia is taking US to WW3. That is what all of the Russian rhetoric leads.

      Ukrainians and Russians are better at defense than at offense. So, we can expect 10 million Russians to die killing 1 million Ukrainians.

      So, I pray for peace.

      Wayne

  9. culturaltick says:

    The US didn’t go that far? Geez. What would you say if Russian KGB head visited East Ukraine?
    And who is training West Ukrainian military forces now, you think? As I said before, there is no better guy in this mess. Look at the money trail first of all. Both sides are using people’s fears and sentiments in this fight for resources and sphere of influence. It is not about Democracy in Ukraine.
    There are pro Europeans and pro Russians in the country. Both groups are being supported by we know very well by whom. As for the post, yeah. It was said that it might be authentic, but it was unverified. This doesn’t mean that Russians are not involved. They are, just like the USA.

    • Wayne says:

      The idiot in charge of the CIA is not half of one Spetznaz …. and there are hundreds of Speztnaz on the ground right now in Ukraine.

      I wish both sides would support Ukraine instead of trying to bleed the Ukrainians dry – again.

      Wayne

  10. culturaltick says:

    And what all these high-profile American officials have been doing in Ukraine? Nuland, Kerry, McCain, Biden and CIA director, Brennan, who is currently in Ukraine. They must have chosen Ukraine as their vocation resort. And no, no, no. USA has nothing to do with Maidan. It was entirely people’s will for democracy. Nuland handed out cookies and 5 bln. What were the rest of these officials handing out, we have no clue. And CIA is probably helping the puppet, U.S- hand-picked interim government to prepare for beauty pageant miss universe 2014 in Kiev at the moment.

    And Eastern Ukrainians protests are staged, of course, by Russians, because, unlike Western Ukrainians, they have no will of their own. And they are not freedom fighters. They are thugs.
    And these cunning Russians have no class. Why don’t they openly send their high-profile officials to East Ukraine to join in preparations for beauty pageant instead of “fomenting trouble.”

    • Wayne says:

      Actually, I would agree that the US meddled too much, and Russia is currently meddling too much.

      I just posted a new post, and in it there is a video of a Russian Colonel taking command of about 50 Ukrainian police in Eastern Ukraine.

      The US did not go that far, even though I believe we went too far.

      Wayne

  11. culturaltick says:

    They shouldn’t be fighting each other. Ordinary people will lose in this war waged by corporations.

  12. culturaltick says:

    But they were not called Ukrainians. They were Slavs. Let it be Kiev Rus. Fine with me. They should not be fighting.

  13. culturaltick says:

    Semantically, in the combination of words Kiev Rus, there is no word Ukraine.
    What you are saying makes no sense, I am afraid.
    According to the most widespread (including Ukraine itself) academic version,[weasel words] the name Ukraine derived from the Old East Slavic word ukraina (оукраина) which had the meaning “borderland” or “march” and was used for different border regions of the Rus’. The etymology of the word Ukraine is seen this way among Russian[1] and the most influential Ukrainian and Western historians such as Orest Subtelny,[2] Paul Magocsi,[3] Omeljan Pritsak,[4] Mykhailo Hrushevskyi,[5] Ivan Ohiyenko,[6] Petro Tolochko[7] and others. It’s supported by the Encyclopedia of Ukraine[8] and the Etymological dictionary of the Ukrainian language.[9]

  14. culturaltick says:

    Again, you have to get your facts straight.

    Part of Scythia in antiquity, and settled by Goths in the migration period, Ukraine is also the site of early Slavic expansion, and enters history proper with the establishment of the medieval state of Kievan Rus, which emerged as a powerful nation in the Middle Ages but disintegrated in the 12th century. By the middle of the 14th century, present Ukrainian territories were under the rule of three external powers: the Golden Horde, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and the Kingdom of Poland, during the 15th century these lands came under the rule of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (since 1569), and Crimean Khanate.[4] In 1653 the greater portion of the population rebelled against dominantly Polish Catholic rule and in January 1654 an assembly of the people (rada) voted at Pereyaslav to turn to Moscow, effectively joining the southeastern portion of the Polish-Lithuanian empire east of the Dnieper River to Russia.[5] After the Partitions of Poland (1772–1795) and conquest of Crimean Khanate, Ukraine was divided between the Tsardom of Russia and Habsburg Austria
    A chaotic period of warfare ensued after the Russian Revolution, with internationally recognized establishment of an independent Ukrainian People’s Republic. Independent Ukraine emerged from its own civil war. The Ukrainian–Soviet War followed, which resulted in the Soviet Army establishing control in late 1919[6]Soviet victory. The conquerors created the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which on 30 December 1922 became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. The Soviet policy on Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture changed two times; in the 1920s Ukrainian was established as the language of administration an schools. In the 1930s it turned to russification. In 1932 and 1933, more than three millions of – mostly peasant – people in Ukraine starved to death in a politically induced famine joint to the “liquidation of the Kulak class”. They were about 50% of all Soviet people who died by this famine. Now there is a dispute, if this highly antihuman policy of Holodomor was an extreme terror against renitent farmers or a genocide against the Ukrainian nation. Since 1935, Nikita Khrushchev was the head of the Ukrainian Communist Party. After the 1939 invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, the Ukrainian SSR’s territory was enlarged westward. In 1941, Ukraine was occupied by Nazi Germany, being liberated in 1944. During World War II the Ukrainian Insurgent Army tried to reestablish Ukrainian independence and fought against Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. In 1945, the Ukrainian SSR became one of the founding members of the United Nations.[7] After Stalin’s death, as head of the Communist Party of Soviet Union, Khrushchev enabled a Ukrainian revival. Nevertheless, there were further political repressions against poets, historians and other intellectuals, like in all other parts of the USSR. In 1954, the republic expanded to the south with the transfer of the Crimea.

  15. culturaltick says:

    You have to get some facts straight. US foreign aid for 2011 was 49.5 bln plus private foreign aid which was 70 bln in 2004. And the list of recipient countries is telling quite an interesting story, too.
    As for Kievan Rus, it just shows that Russian and Ukrainian history intertwined. Ok. Let’ s turn it into one country the name of which is Kievan Rus. So where are you going to send the Russians back? They are in their own country in this case.

  16. culturaltick says:

    What I am seeing is that you are justifying USA actions. While I am saying that USA’s meddling has started all this unrest. You want to blame only Russia and depict Russia evil incarnate. I find this to be a very slanted opinion and uncritical view of current events. The kettle is not less evil than the pot and vice versa. Both the U.S. and Russia continue meddling in Ukraine’s affairs and both are contributing to chaos. And do you think they are handing out cookies now?

    USA welfare is subject to close scrutiny, too. Not everything is black and white. There is a very enlightening book called Lords of Poverty which shows that of one dollar welfare sometimes 90 cents goes back to USA. Poverty has been turned into a very profitable business. And IMF policies are a perfect example how profitable poverty is to donors and devastating to recipients.

    Hotheads on both sides should sit down and take into consideration people’s wishes: be it elections, referendum, or whatever they choose. And they should kick out of the country all foreign, secret and not so secret services, all foreign military forces. Extreme right wing party members should be disarmed. Otherwise, they think they can do anything they want and even beat up parliament members for expressing views opposing their views. If they can do this to the members of parliament, can you imagine what they do when nobody sees them?

    • Wayne says:

      I do now know where you got that, I have been inconsistent.

      But, we agree. They should kick out all foreign military and secret service.

      Send the Russians back to Russia! Return to the KIEVAN RUS.

      Extend Ukraine back to Novgorod to Yaroslav and down to Krasnodar!

      Don’t you love history?

      Wayne

  17. culturaltick says:

    And USA and EU are acting out of sheer benevolence and not using Ukraine. They are bent on bringing democracy to Ukraine and evil Russia is on their way. You can do better than that.
    Russia is no more evil than USA.
    ” America’s 2012 defense budget surpassed that of the next 10 countries combined.” ” Defense spending accounts for about 20 percent of all U.S. federal spending”

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-defense-spending-by-country-2014-2#ixzz2yMWvqvuj
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-defense-spending-by-country-2014-2#ixzz2yMWNJSex
    This website gives a long list of countries where USA was directly or indirectly involved in regime change.
    http://prosecuteuscrimesagainsthumanitynow.blogspot.ru

    Reason 2: The actual reason. This is usually hidden from the general public and has to be looked for in quotes by under-reported officials or subsequent events on the ground. Often, the victims of the change of government know the real reasons better than the populations of the Western countries. Real reasons are many but usually include Business Interests, Access to Resources, Markets, Military Bases, Strategic Value, or Political Support.

    Stephen Kinzer (Author)
    OpEdNews Op Eds 12/22/2010 at 13:47:24
    Carter Had CIA Armed Fundamentalist Terrorists War Against Afghan Women’s Liberation & Education
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Carter-Had-CIA-Armed-Funda-by-Jay-Janson-101220-176.html

    On the Need for Truth and Reconciliation Commissions in America
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/On-the-need-for-Truth-and-by-Jay-Janson-090416-743.html

    • Wayne says:

      I never wrote that the US are the nice guys. In fact, I have written the US has had consistent and bad motives. And I have written the motives for US actions have cost way too many lives.

      But, that does not mean that I want Russia to do the same thing in Ukraine that the US did in Egypt …. Too many Ukrainians would die.

      Welfare, not defense makes up the largest part of the US budget, I have already blogged on that several times.

  18. culturaltick says:

    I can say the same about Russians. They do not want war. Fairness, justice seem to have fallen victim to corporate greed and imperial ambitions. Aand please don’t tell me it is only Russian imperialism, and that the West participates fairly and evenly. There are 7 bln people in the world. Modern economies heavily depend on oil. Natural resources are dwindling. The fight for markets and resources is getting nasty. There is nothing fair and even in this fight. This conflict is about control of resources and domination. People of Ukraine who expressed their will in Maidan in Kiev have already been shortchanged. One bunch of oligarchs kicked out the other. Big change.

    I am totally confused who you are now. You were in Maidan. You live there. Maidan in Odessa?

    • Wayne says:

      Maidan celbrations were all over Ukraine. Even Donetsk, Luganks, and Kherkov.

      Yes, greed fuels many problems, but I think this is in response to Syria and other provocations. Russia is using Ukraine, because they can. They have always beaten up on Ukraine. I just thought they were beyond that for once.

  19. culturaltick says:

    I don’t rely on RT. “In Ukraine, most people just do not have that level of activism.” That’s an unsubstantiated statement.

    • Wayne says:

      I LIVE there.

      I went to Maidan.

      My friends helped organize the Odessa Maidan.

      Most Ukrainians LOVE to discuss and argue, but they DO NOT want to fight, or love war.

      They believe in a right way and a wrong way, and they expect, DEMAND, that everyone participate fairly and evenly.

      And my fear is that they will lose their naivety.

  20. culturaltick says:

    I believe, I believe, I believe. We can have our beliefs as much as we want. We simply don’t know. Both sides tell stories that fit their agenda. No honest reporting of events.
    Ultra nationalists are very active. They are now doing all the dirty job for the interim government now. Then they will be tossed, I guess. If they don’t get too powerful.
    Bandera was shot by KGB in 1959 for cooperating with Nazis.

    • Wayne says:

      I have friends in country, I know what they tell me.

      I read the twitter feeds of several reporters.

      The news from RT does not agree with what I hear from people who are there. The news from western sources agrees about 60% of the time.

      Do you really think the SVR and FSB are not doing the same things as the KGB did?

      ‘Ultra’ nationalists exist in Russia. In Ukraine, most people just do not have that level of activism.

    • Wayne says:

      Quick research, I like that.

      Actually, America trained the soldiers in Colorado …. They trained Russian soldiers, not Ukrainian.

      And yes, Obama and Biden meet with Soros, but Soros is not backing the Ukrainian government, he is backing the unrest.

      Wayne

  21. culturaltick says:

    “We are particularly concerned that the operation involves some 150 American mercenaries from a private company Greystone Ltd., dressed in the uniform of the [Ukrainian] special task police unit Sokol,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “Organizers and participants of such incitement are assuming a huge responsibility for threatening upon the rights, freedoms and lives of Ukrainian citizens as well as the stability of Ukraine.”

    Ukraine’s acting interior minister, Arsen Avakov, confirmed that additional police special forces units have arrived in southern and eastern parts of Ukraine from other regions.

    “These special forces are ready to solve operational problems without the regard to local peculiarities,” Ukraine’s Interior Ministry quoted Avakov as saying. “I urge all the hotheads now to defer from criticism and panic, and help the police keep the situation under control.”*******
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-mercenaries-buildup-013/
    Hmmm, yes. Local hotheads will be silenced by American mercenaries. Democracy at work. Must be Russian propaganda.

    • Wayne says:

      Actually, the ‘mercenary’ story has been around for over a month. Re-cycled and not true.

      I think there are a handful of external agitators encouraging young men to become violent.

      Destroying property, attacking police, killing people, torturing people, blaming other people, and taking control away from the people are not hallmarks of Ukrainian culture.

      They are hallmarks of the former KGB.

      The stories I have heard from the soviet era are chilling …. I do not think Ukrainians would condone doing to each other what was previously done to them.

      Do you really believe that they would condone that behavior?

      Wayne

      • culturaltick says:

        How can you be so sure that there are no mercenaries? You are so ready to believe in the busloads of Russian people. As for the hallmarks. Have you heard of Bandera? Have you seen the video in which the right wing Svoboda members beat up the TV station director forcing him to resign? I am not sure about anybody once they are put into extreme situations. Who would believe that good Americans would be capable of Abu Ghraib?
        So, I just hope that their humanity will prevail. There is so much hatred on both sides.

      • Wayne says:

        Great comment, let answer in two parts.

        I do not normally consider Army MP’s the ‘good’ people.

        But, what is usually overlooked, is that the CIA was using the MP’s to abuse the prisoners, then the MP’s took pictures of themselves, the CIA did not.

      • Wayne says:

        Second, I believe that Russia hired mercenaries.

        I do not believe the US hired mercenaries. Why?

        Most US military do not speak Russian (much less Ukrainian) well enough to blend in. I speak Russian better than most US Special Forces from the cold war era, and I am terrible.

        Yes, Bandera is reported often on RT, so I have heard about them. But, it is unlikely they are greatly involved. Why?

        Because the Ukrainians have always had a major problem politically. Every time they need to get involved and support a revolution, they wait too long, and the Russians (or Poles) come in and take over.

        Could this be an exception? Maybe, but I don’t think so.

        You seem to think the Ukrainian mindset has changed from preferring peace to preferring civil war.

        Why do you think they changed?

        Wayne

  22. culturaltick says:

    I wouldn’t be so certain about a busload of people from Russia. Most likely there are Russian secret services there. Maidan was infested with CIA and European secret services. The U.S.was so sure of its impunity and self-righteousness that it even was distributing cookies to the protesters. Russia is copycatting the U.S., actually. Yes, there might be trouble but not because of busloads of Russian people (unverified) but because eastern and southern Ukrainians were not included in the due process. As I have said before, EU and U.S. were impatient. They should have waited for 2015 elections. What were they afraid of? That another pro-Western president would not be elected and that was the way for them to go?

  23. culturaltick says:

    Then each time you raise your clenched fist in joy or frustration, you are making a Nazi salutation, I guess.

    • Wayne says:

      If you are on top of a government building in Ukraine, or Russia, I would think most people watching would think so.

      Aren’t they anti anything Nazi in Russia?

      • culturaltick says:

        Oh, we do have fascists. Though you might think, of all places, we should not have them.
        But in general, people are very anti-Nazi. Their historical memory is quite strong.
        But I don’t think the man in picture has a Nazi salute. He thinks he has won. Poor thing. I hope, things don’t get worse.

      • Wayne says:

        If the busloads of agitators that came in from Russia don’t go home, I expect trouble.

        Don’t you?

  24. culturaltick says:

    Will try to appease

  25. culturaltick says:

    Not sure about being better off because there will be so much bloodshed. By the way, a lot of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. I know this. My sister lived there, and she keeps in touch with her friends. The poverty level there is higher than in Russia, and they, rightly or wrongly, think that they would be better off with Russia. As for the Crimean Tatars, I think, Putin will to appease them now, while they will continue to fight for greater autonomy.

    • Wayne says:

      Good assessment,

      How many of the people in Crimea were Russian retirees …. I wonder if Russia would let Ukrainians vote to secede from Russia?

  26. culturaltick says:

    I wonder, would your Cherokee and Comanche ancestors take it as a compliment after all what happened to them?

    • Wayne says:

      Depends.

      Do you look at history from their point of view, or from yours?

      • culturaltick says:

        Surely, their point of view. They have retained their life style, traditions, and land and have a country of their own and very grateful to Anglo-Saxons for making them part of civilized world.

      • Wayne says:

        Their point of view, their family survived.

        A lot of families did not.

        As for getting our land back, that would be nice. Crimea goes back and the USA goes back ….

        I think we would be better off, don’t you?

  27. culturaltick says:

    Wayne, you look very Anglo-Saxon. Speaking of pictures worth many pictures.

  28. culturaltick says:

    http://www.whale.to/b/clenched_fist.html
    http://www.webstockpro.com/Rubberball/b04988c.Business-man-with-briefcase-and-arm-Photo/
    According to your interpretation people in these pictures will be qualified as fascists, too.

    The following shows that a clenched fist is loaded with symbolism.
    The clenched fist was first used by the communists in the Spanish civil war, as a counterpoint to the open-palmed Roman salute adopted by the fascists. The clenched fist symbolises strength and unity – fingers which are individually fragile can together make a powerful fist. It became a symbol of communism and was co-opted to many revolutionary causes, most potently the civil rights struggle in the US and opposition to colonialism in the third world. But it is now so freighted with historical associations – the murky faction fighting on the left in the Spanish civil war, the perversion of communism in the Soviet Union, the tyrannies that emerged in post-colonial Africa – that, according to the socialist historian Sheila Rowbotham, it has become a double-edged symbol. “Even in the 1960s,” she says, “my generation used it slightly self-consciously. It was connected to communism and post-’56, [when the Soviet army suppressed the Hungarian uprising] using it made you feel slightly uneasy.” http://www.theguardian.com/film/2006/may/30/cannes2006.cannesfilmfestival

    • Wayne says:

      Great comment.

      It is a loaded symbol. And yes, many other people can be accused of the symbol.

      But, it is ironic that Russia keeps placing the pressure upon the ‘fascist’ elements in Ukraine, but their side keeps turning up looking like the ‘fascists.’

      Don’t you agree?

      Wayne

      • culturaltick says:

        There is a difference between a clenched fist-salutation and open-arm fascist salutation. The man in the picture has a clenched fist. If you interpret this as a fascist salutation, then John Kerry in that picture is a fascist, too. And everyone with clenched fist is a fascist by default.
        But I would agree with you in one thing. Extreme nationalism is ugly on both sides.

      • Wayne says:

        Would you be surprised by anything Kerry does?

        Closed or open, it was a Nazi salute.

  29. culturaltick says:

    And why are they fascists? Because they are waving the Russian flag? So, anyone waving the Russian flag is a fascist?

    http://www.ibtimes.com/euromaidan-dark-shadows-far-right-ukraine-protests-1556654
    The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance is Svoboda (Freedom), an extreme right-wing political party that not only has representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization. Britain’s Channel 4 News reported that Svoboda has assumed a “leading role” in the street protests in Kiev, with affiliated paramilitary groups prominently involved in the disturbances. Svoboda flags and banners have been featured in the demonstrations at Kiev’s Independence Square. During the continuing street riots, one Svoboda MP, Igor Myroshnychenko, created an iconic moment of sorts when he allegedly helped to topple the statue of Vladimir Lenin outside a government building, followed by its occupation by protesters.

    • Wayne says:

      And I stand by my statement, the Nazi saluting man with the other two men look like the same ‘fascists’ who were causing trouble at the Maidan rallies.

      Maybe they are not.

      But, maybe they are.

      Thank you for your comment.

      Wayne

  30. Jonn says:

    The Khrushchev saga of gifting land of the host country to another country should be a warning to all countries. Which countries have all – power presidents? The General secretary of Soviet Union had too much power, as to be able to gift land to a foreigh country. All governments all over the world should scrutinize their constitutions, re- check their government constitutions so that their presidents / prime ministers do not have the power to give out chunks of homeland as gifts to neighboring countries. He / she should not have too much power as to give land as gifts. . I hope that the Presidents of countries in Europe do not have the power to give bordering homelands as gift(s) to other countries. For instance, the president of the United States may in future (say, in 2050) say that he wants to give out Buffalo city of New York state, as he would like to make the Canadian city of Toronto much bigger. He should never be given the power to gift the City of Buffalo and surrounding 10 counties as gift to Canada, to complement the size of Toronto city already belonging to Canada.
    Probably, the General – Secretary of Soviet Union had too much power: In 1954, Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea, a Russian enclave south of Ukraine, to Ukraine on maps. Khrushchev was of Ukrainian national origin, but had both Ukrainian and Russian blood. The gift of Crimea on maps did not affect the day to day lives of Crimeans until the Soviet Union broke up into individual countries, and in 1994.

    • Wayne says:

      John,

      Thank you for you comment.

      I think your analogy is backwards. Crimea is to Ukraine as Toronto is to Canada. And it has been since the Greek era – 500 B.C.

      Russia gave back what was stolen by force. And now they are sending in Russians to take by force or rigged elections.

      Ironically, much of eastern Russia belongs to Kiev, historically.

      Should Kiev take back Russian territory?

      Wayne

    • culturaltick says:

      Completely agree with you. Nor should any country have either covert or overt operations
      with the purpose of regime change on foreign territories. No matter how much Obama wants to turn Ukraine into a democratic country, or Putin wants to keep Ukraine under Russian influence, it should be Ukrainians that should decide their future.

  31. culturaltick says:

    I am afraid you cannot claim that fascists support pro-Russian movement in Russia. I need some evidence to support your claim. Besides, Russians don’t have too fond memories of fascists. What I am seeing, is that ordinary people making very practical calculations. They might be looking at austerity measures proposed by IMF and EU, looking at the interim government all consisting of oligarchs (one group of oligarchs replaced another) and thinking,” what does all this mean to me?” If I were them, I would want to make the rIght choice. Winters in Ukraine are quite cold. So what choice are they facing? The same level of corruption plus austerity measures and the same level of corruption plus lower gas prices. Which is lesser evil?

  32. culturaltick says:

    I don’t expect you not to call Russia wrong when it is wrong. In this case, I think, it was not only Russia’s fault for what is going on in Ukraine. It was the U.S. meddling in Ukraine that has caused all this turmoil. Why not wait till 2015 elections? Why the U.S. Has to stage color-coded revolutions and coups? Where are the success stories after these revolutions?
    Do you think the USA would not have reacted if Russia had staged some color-coded revolution along its borders?
    I think, it is also helpful to look at NATO expansion map since the break-up of the Soviet Union. I am no fan of Putin and corruption in Russia is of cosmic proportions, but I don’t want the USA to bomb the s..t out of Russsia. History shows that the U.S. has this nasty way of bringing democracy all over the world either by toppling governments through color-coded revolutions or bombing the s..t out of the non-compliant countries.
    I would also read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins and published in 2004 to make the approach to current events more nuanced.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8

    • Wayne says:

      I think if you read my blog, you will find that I point out many of those same problems.

      However, what we are now seeing in Ukraine are fascists supporting the pro-Russia movement. So, it would seem the ‘far-right’ that Russia has claimed was behind all of this may have been Russian all along.

  33. culturaltick says:

    Russia should pay not only the Crimeans, but also its own citizens for being shipped in the cattle cars to Siberia. U.S., Great Britain too have big debts to pay to other nations for mass killings and plundering their resources. They should be held to the same standards for the atrocities committed. Russia is not an exception. I doubt that reality is as simple as you might like to believe. Can’t you at least for a moment consider the Ukrainian turmoil as part of geopolitical games? Can you imagine any Russian state official handing out cookies to the participants of Occupy Movement at their rallies and shelling them 5 bln dollars to them, so that they could bring Wall Street thugs to justice?
    Some things to consider:
    “Rickard: That is complete ridiculousness. I mean this gentleman is saying some really vile things about Russian regimes. Russia has one base outside of their own country and it happens to be in Syria and the Americans have well over 200 bases around the world and are present in over 900 deployments around the world. So this conversation is very illegitimate.”

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/02/15/350791/us-after-toppling-syria-government/

    “Since 1945, the USA has been responsible either directly or indirectly of helping remove dozens of governments, many democratically elected, around the world.
    Sometimes the events are kept secret for years and only slowly come out.
    Other times, the events are the cause of demonstrations, anger and resentment at the time they occur.
    Whenever, an event like this occurs there are two reasons to be considered:
    Reason 1: The reason given by the USA, its media and its friends around the world. Reasons like Communism, Terrorism, Human Rights, Freedom, Liberation, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1033593

    • Wayne says:

      Thank you for your comment.

      If you read my blog a little more, you read that I call the USA wrong when we are wrong.

      So, why would you expect me to not call Russia wrong when they are wrong?

      Wayne

  34. culturaltick says:

    In this case, Russia should charge Ukraine for all the years after 1954 when it was given Crimeria for free by Khrushev.

    • Wayne says:

      And then Russia should pay for all the Crimeans they killed when they shipped them to Siberia in cattle cars ….

      Your loop goes on and on.

      The reality on the ground is simple, Russia owes Ukraine.

      Wayne

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